April 18, 2024

Corner Office: Daniel T. Hendrix: Daniel Hendrix of Interface Inc., on Work-Life Balance

 Q. What were some early leadership roles for you?

A. I would say that my first real leadership role was with sports in high school. I was the quarterback on the football team, I played basketball and I pitched on the baseball team. I would say that one of the better foundations to be a leader is to play organized sports.

Q. And in your college years?

A. When I went to college, I was a phys ed major. My father kept saying: “You’re not going to make any money. Why are you majoring in phys ed?” So I changed to accounting in my last quarter, and it took me about two years to get an accounting degree.

I got my first real job when I went into public accounting with a major accounting firm. That’s when I met Ray Anderson, the founder of Interface. In fact, the company was my first client, and it was still a very small company. I joined it at the age of 27. Within a year and a half, I was the C.F.O., and Ray would dump as much responsibility on me as he could. I think I was running customer service, planning, human resources, I.T., financial accounting, treasury, and I didn’t have a clue what I was doing.

That’s when I learned a lot about business. I was in way over my head, but I thought I had to be the smartest guy in the room. I was dealing with a lot of bankers because we did a lot of public deals and were trying to finance acquisitions and so forth. I thought I could outwork anybody. I was working 24/7 and really had two jobs: C.F.O. during the day, then an investment banker at night, in effect, doing acquisitions and deals. Delegation wasn’t really part of the equation because I was afraid that if I gave it to somebody, they would fail and then I would fail.

The company brought in a president above me who was really charismatic and dynamic. One day he was in the office on a Sunday and he said: “Every time I’m in here on Sunday, you’re in here working. I’m not impressed by somebody who can’t get their job done in five days. I’m really not. It’s about balance.” And I had two young kids. He said, “Go out and hire some people and have a life.”

So I started hiring people, developing people, building a team, and I learned that you have to delegate, have to have accountability and have to make sure that people have the tools to do the job. Then you check in — you ask what’s going on.

Q. Obviously that Sunday conversation had a big impression on you.

A. Big impression. His message really resonated: you’re going to burn out if you keep doing this.

Q. What is your company doing in terms of innovation?

A. You have to keep reinventing yourself in this world. Everybody is a fast follower and so you’ve got to find a way to create an innovation environment. It’s all around collaboration. It’s all around engaging the shop floor all the way up to the top. You have to fund, fuel, encourage collaboration and engagement to get innovation, and you’ve got to go inside and outside to do that.

Q. So how do you do that?

A. We developed something called the Innovation Farm. It’s a platform where everybody can participate within the organization, and you can also go outside with it. So you pose questions: How would you solve this problem? And everybody gets engaged in how you might solve it. Or you just ask an open question: What do we need from an innovation standpoint? Then people vote, and the best ideas surface over time as people vote and start tweeting and talking about that idea. It got our people engaged in this whole open-architecture structure.

And we really tried to get out of the box. We didn’t want a closed architecture, because I think we had one to some extent. We wanted to create an open-architecture structure for anybody in the company, and even outside. So we’re going to post questions on the Web. “How would you solve this problem?” Then, if you get something that’s really interesting, you close off the conversation and discuss it further in a smaller forum.

Q. Let’s shift to hiring. What are you looking for?

A. The thing I want to know is whether they are a cultural fit. To do that, we’ve got to talk about their personal experiences, their family. I’m always trying to figure out how much balance they have. What are their real career aspirations? Are they smarter than me? That’s a big thing. I like to hire people who are smarter than me, and I like diversity. I like somebody who can think differently.

And do they get the idea of servant leadership? I think the biggest misfits for us are people who won’t put the company and the vision ahead of their career. If they’re not of that mind-set, they won’t fit with us. One of the things I look for is hard to find, but when you find this person, they’re gold — it’s a person who can see in three dimensions.

Q. Can you elaborate on what that means?

A. When you ask them a question or give them a project, they come back and give you a lot more than what you asked them for. They give you a lot more questions to the question that you asked them, and they see something that’s a lot different in the third dimension.

Then there are the people who are just sort of linear, and you ask them to solve a problem and they give you the obvious answer and say, “Here’s the answer to the problem.”

But I look for that person who thinks on a different level. As I said, it’s hard to get at that in an interview — I haven’t figured out a way to do that reliably yet — but when you find that person, and I’ve found a few in my career, they are gold. They are the people whom you really want to keep and build your company around. They see implications, they see around corners, they see other possibilities. They’ll come up with a different way to think about the problem, a different solution to the problem.

This interview has been edited and condensed.

Article source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/business/daniel-hendrix-of-interface-inc-on-work-life-balance.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Staying Alive: Why Training Workers Costs More Than You Think

Staying Alive

The struggles of a business trying to survive.

I read Adam Davidson’s article in the Times Magazine last week with interest. In it, he discusses the difficulty that one Milwaukee employer has had finding workers, with particular attention to the problem of the costs of training workers in high-tech skills. In a nutshell, he talks to an employer who is offering a very low starting salary ($10 an hour) and then complains that he can’t find applicants with the skill set he requires.

I’m not very sympathetic to these complaints. It’s been my experience that $10 an hour doesn’t get you much in the labor market. Maybe that’s a reflection of the higher cost of living around Philadelphia, but I wouldn’t dream of hiring someone for less than $12 an hour. Pay any less than that and your worker will not be able to afford a reliable car and probably won’t have a good housing situation, either. That adds up to trouble.

My former partner told me that 90 percent of human resources problems are generated by the lowest-paid workers in the company, and I have found that to be true. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I have found that people I’m willing to pay $15 an hour are generally pretty reliable, and those who are worth $20 or more are solid, dependable workers who can be expected to perform at a high level and acquire significant skills. That’s a level of pay that also allows them to have stable personal lives. They can afford a car, and, with a working spouse, a house and children.

I benefit from having settled workers. People who show up reliably, work hard and realize that they benefit when the company prospers. When I take the time and go to the expense of training people like this, I can have a reasonable expectation that the investment will pay off for all involved. Training is not cheap, though.

Here’s an example of what training costs me. We are at the point where having a single design engineer is not enough. Our sales are growing, and we now have periods when he can’t keep up. I don’t need another engineer all the time, just some additional capacity to handle the busy periods. Eventually, if sales keep growing, the second engineer will be a full-time position. But not for the next year or so.

The classic solution to this is to outsource the engineering until we have enough demand to bring on another person full-time. That’s not a good solution for us, though, because we have developed a very particular set of procedures and use an unusual mix of software to run our machines. And there’s also huge value to having instant communication between the shop floor and the engineer so that problems can be solved as soon as they arise. Managing an outsourced engineer would be a nightmare. Where would I find someone who really understands our operations? And what use would it be if I couldn’t control the person’s schedule?

I would much prefer to cross-train one of my existing workers. I have several bench hands who already know how we make our tables, who have experience operating my machines and who want to do the job. For the sake of this article, I’m going to morph all of these guys into a single candidate. Let’s call him Bill.

After being trained in traditional woodworking, Bill graduated from a technical college in 2000, and he has worked at my shop ever since. He has superb bench skills and seems to be competent at operating our sophisticated machines, but he has had no experience with our computer-aided design and computer-aided manufacturing software. I see him using our computers to browse the Web at lunch, so I know he understands the basics of operating the mouse and a browser, but I don’t see him do much with the keyboard and I suspect that his typing speed is slow, maybe 20 words per minute. What I’m saying is, he’s great on the shop floor but I really don’t know whether he’ll be productive working in front of a screen. Still, his understanding of how we work can’t be beat, so I’m willing to see how it goes.

I pay Bill $24 an hour (like Bill himself, this is a made up number but a good approximation of the wages I pay experienced bench hands). With taxes and benefits, he costs me $30 an hour. When he’s working at the bench, I can sell his labor for $80 an hour. If I move him into the office, no product will be built. So that costs me $80 an hour in lost production, but I’m still paying him his wages. That means the cost of his training is already $110 an hour.

Of course, someone has to train Bill. That would be my engineer. Guys like him cost about $48 an hour, including taxes and benefits. We bill him out at $90 an hour. If the engineer stops doing productive work and starts training Bill, I forgo both his production and the revenue we charge for it — but I still have to pay him for his services. That’s another $138 an hour. So the initial cost of training Bill is $248 an hour.

How long will that training take? Can we teach him everything he needs in a week? Hmmm. It would be nice if we could. If we accomplish that, getting him up to speed would cost me $9,920. In reality, 40 hours of concentrated attention from the engineer will probably get him to the point where he can be a little bit productive, and then he’ll need a lot more time to truly master the procedures. My guess, based on my experiences with other workers, is that three months of practice, on real projects, would bring him to acceptable productivity.

At that point, for the sake of our financial model, his cost drops back to his wages ($30 an hour) plus the lost production ($80 an hour) less a percentage of the output of a fully trained engineer (let’s say half, or $45 an hour). So while he’s getting up to speed, he costs $110 an hour and makes me $45 an hour, resulting in a net cost of $65 an hour.

A three-month training period (13 weeks) of 40-hour weeks will cost me $33,800. Add that to the $9,920 I spent on the first week of training, and you get $43,720. If I find a worker to replace Bill on the shop floor, I have the potential to do more production to cover some of that cost. But in any case, it’s a lot of money out of my pocket.

Will Bill demand a raise after I have paid to upgrade his skills? Probably. Engineers make more money than bench workers. And his new knowledge is lodged in his head. I can’t take it back. So he has the opportunity to renegotiate our relationship. He can threaten to leave and see what his package of skills is worth on the market. I’ll have to bargain with him to get him to stay.

One of the interesting aspects of this scenario is that I have little incentive to bring my shop operations into alignment with standard industry practice. The more idiosyncratic our infrastructure, the harder it is for workers to take their skills elsewhere. One way this plays out is in the mix of software that I use for manufacturing.

Back in 1997, I started to do computerized drafting on a program called PowerCADD. I was using Macs at the time and still do. The standard drafting software in our industry is Autocad, which runs on Windows. Every architect’s office uses it, but we don’t, which is both a blessing and a curse. I have a substantial library of drawings that we can only open with PowerCADD. But PowerCADD is produced by a very small company, of uncertain stability. At some point it could fail, leaving me stuck with an obsolete library.

On the other hand, I can be more certain that an investment in training my workers in PowerCADD will pay off for me — knowledge of that program is not worth much on the open market. So I get the benefits of a capable software program without the risk of its operators jumping ship.

To recap: bosses incur real costs when training their workers. And additional training has the potential to upset the balance of power between labor and management. Is it any wonder that some bosses hesitate to make this investment?

Paul Downs founded Paul Downs Cabinetmakers in 1986. It is based outside Philadelphia.

Article source: http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/why-training-workers-costs-more-than-you-think/?partner=rss&emc=rss

Corner Office: Andy Lansing: A Boss Who Believes ‘Nice’ Isn’t a Bad Word

Q. You rose to the C.E.O. position from the legal side. How did that come about?

A. I started, just because it was my nature, poking my nose into other areas. I would say to people, why do we do it that way in purchasing, or why do we do it that way in human resources? And Larry Levy, our founder, would say to me, “Just go fix it if you want. Go work with it.” So I found myself collaborating with other people who didn’t report to me. 

Q. How did you do that without people getting their backs up?

A. Part of it is the nature of our company, which is sort of this entrepreneurial family where people really didn’t live in silos. Even though there’s a head of human resources and a head of purchasing, there’s more of a sense of openness. We all did everything, we all worked hard, and I would approach people in a nonthreatening way. 

I sort of did my best Columbo act, where I’d come in and say, “I don’t know, I don’t quite get it.” Maybe things made perfect sense to everyone else, but not growing up in the business gave me an advantage because I could say, “I don’t understand; will you explain it to me?” 

I also learned early on about a trait of good leaders, which is that I may have the idea, but I’m going to make you think that you came up with the idea and give you credit for it at the end of the day. So it’s sort of getting people to do things without letting them know what hit them, and giving them credit for it. 

Q. And how did you learn to do that? 

A. I don’t know. What I can tell you is that early on I wasn’t crazy about the concept of telling people what to do and being a boss. The power of being a boss is an awesome responsibility, and I feared it a bit when I first became a boss. 

I figured out that I didn’t want people to fear me and do things because of who I was. People have personal power or they have positional power. Positional power means I have power over you because I’m your boss — “I’m very important, I’m the C.E.O.” You should fear me because of who I am. And then there’s personal power, which is what’s inside of you. I always say there are people in our company who are dishwashers who have more personal power than someone who’s a manager because they have that quality.

So what I figured out early on is that being a manager doesn’t equal being a leader. You can have the title of manager and that’ll give you the right to walk around and spin keys on your finger or talk in a walkie-talkie or look and act important, but that’s not what gives you power. 

What I figured out is that what gives you power is how you treat people and how you lead. I remember when the first secretary I had at a law firm would introduce me to someone and say, “I want you to meet my boss.” To this day it makes my skin crawl. I’d say, “I’m not her boss; we work together.” 

Q. Can you elaborate on the quality you’re describing?

A. Leaders are the people you want with you when all hell is breaking loose. They have the knowledge about how to treat people with respect and dignity and how to just be a natural leader. There are those great debates — are leaders born or are they made? — and I think there are people who are just born with that natural ability that makes people want to follow them. I think some people are born with something that makes people gravitate towards them and want to work with them. I’m not saying it can’t be honed, but I don’t think you can teach someone that. I think it’s in their DNA.   

Q. Let’s shift to hiring. How do you do it? What do you look for? 

A. I have a pretty nontraditional approach to hiring. I hire for two traits — I hire for nice and I hire for passion.   

If you sit down with me, no matter how senior you are in the company or the position you’re applying for, my first question to you is going to be, are you nice? And the reactions are priceless. There’s usually a long pause, like they’re waiting for me to smile or they’re waiting for Ashton Kutcher to come out and say, “You’re being punked.” Because who asks that question? And then I say, “No, seriously, are you nice?”

Q. What do people say?

Article source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/business/a-boss-who-believes-nice-isnt-a-bad-word.html?partner=rss&emc=rss